I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
How does Vista perform on an dual proc machine ?
Seems to work OK on mine... haven't seen any major performance issues except actual Vista ones which I've got even on one of my more basic machines.
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I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
slower than xp
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"anonymouse" wrote in message
I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
I have 3.2 GHz HT and its definitely slow. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Gary Keramidas" <GKeramidasATmsn.com> wrote in message
slower than xp
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"anonymouse" wrote in message I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
Obviously it's slow and all, however I'm probably taking into account the fact that performance hasn't been set and Glass does take a lot of stuff up. So probably over all... yeh it's slow for what my machine should be *-)
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I have 3.2 GHz HT and its definitely slow. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Gary Keramidas" <GKeramidasATmsn.com> wrote in message slower than xp
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"anonymouse" wrote in message I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
"anonymouse" wrote in message
I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
It will be slower on an Intel Core Duo, faster on an AMD Dual Core. Since Intel Core Duo procs cannot talk directly to each other, do not have on-die memory controllers, can't have both L2 caches working at the some time, have no Hypertransport bus, and have not Direct Connect architecture, they cannot run the OS as efficiently. FWIW, the Vista Development team is using AMD Athlon64 processors for its testbeds...that should tell you something. At the risk of starting a war here, AMD X2 and Intel Core Duo are significantly different from each other. In 32 bit, the difference is not very noticeable. With Vista, the difference in the two architectures is *very* apparent.
Bobby
anonymouse wrote:
I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
Running it on dual 3.06 Xeons and painfully slow but then MCE2005 doesn't exactly race along either.
Yeah, and I accept that, Vista won't be optimized for performance until around RC1, so I will take it easy on Vista until then. :) -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message
Obviously it's slow and all, however I'm probably taking into account the fact that performance hasn't been set and Glass does take a lot of stuff up. So probably over all... yeh it's slow for what my machine should be *-)
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message I have 3.2 GHz HT and its definitely slow. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Gary Keramidas" <GKeramidasATmsn.com> wrote in message slower than xp
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"anonymouse" wrote in message I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
Hehe :o)
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message
Yeah, and I accept that, Vista won't be optimized for performance until around RC1, so I will take it easy on Vista until then. :) -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote in message Obviously it's slow and all, however I'm probably taking into account the fact that performance hasn't been set and Glass does take a lot of stuff up. So probably over all... yeh it's slow for what my machine should be *-)
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message I have 3.2 GHz HT and its definitely slow. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Gary Keramidas" <GKeramidasATmsn.com> wrote in message slower than xp
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"anonymouse" wrote in message I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
I am not guru on writing kernel mode things, but I do know that vista has cancelable io, this is new and I think it may help prevent hangs or will it make writing drivers easier so they are better, not 100% sure, but I am sure the answer is only a Google away, I've just done a Google , didn't find much , but I was at a vista training session a few weeks ago and this was one of the topics, maybe I have to the name wrong.
I know from my Unix days, that certain hardware does not play well with multi tasking, LPT ports was one of these, I do think windows is multi tasking though, maybe its some badly written drivers that has caused you problems.
I have a dual core, and its working fine, I do get the odd freeze, but..... is it freezing or is it the GPU drivers going a bit funny. it would be interesting to write a program that counts, see if that counts drop when it freezes :).
Steve
"anonymouse" wrote in message
I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
Hello!
"NoNoBadDog!" wrote in message
It will be slower on an Intel Core Duo, faster on an AMD Dual Core. Since Intel Core Duo procs cannot talk directly to each other, do not have on-die memory controllers, can't have both L2 caches working at the some time, have no Hypertransport bus, and have not Direct Connect architecture, they cannot run the OS as efficiently. FWIW, the Vista Development team is using AMD Athlon64 processors for its testbeds...that should tell you something. At the risk of starting a war here, AMD X2 and Intel Core Duo are significantly different from each other.
Yep, http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/5418/
Unlike the Core Duo, each execution core is not independently clocked nor powered, so if one core is doing all the work, that means that the other one is running at maximum speed and voltage the entire time. With the Core Duo, each core can adjust itself, depending on the application.
Cheers, Roman
FYI, I forwarded the info from this thread to the Shell's perf team to see if we are doing testing on dual procs. I just love harassing those folks. :)
Ed
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"Steve Drake" wrote in message
I am not guru on writing kernel mode things, but I do know that vista has cancelable io, this is new and I think it may help prevent hangs or will it make writing drivers easier so they are better, not 100% sure, but I am sure the answer is only a Google away, I've just done a Google , didn't find much , but I was at a vista training session a few weeks ago and this was one of the topics, maybe I have to the name wrong.
I know from my Unix days, that certain hardware does not play well with multi tasking, LPT ports was one of these, I do think windows is multi tasking though, maybe its some badly written drivers that has caused you problems.
I have a dual core, and its working fine, I do get the odd freeze, but..... is it freezing or is it the GPU drivers going a bit funny. it would be interesting to write a program that counts, see if that counts drop when it freezes :).
Steve
"anonymouse" wrote in message I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
EDIT (correct link) http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2796
Can you get in a word or 2 for me about Perf on P4s with HT? :) -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Ed Sproull [MSFT]" wrote in message
FYI, I forwarded the info from this thread to the Shell's perf team to see if we are doing testing on dual procs. I just love harassing those folks. :)
Ed
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"Steve Drake" wrote in message I am not guru on writing kernel mode things, but I do know that vista has cancelable io, this is new and I think it may help prevent hangs or will it make writing drivers easier so they are better, not 100% sure, but I am sure the answer is only a Google away, I've just done a Google , didn't find much , but I was at a vista training session a few weeks ago and this was one of the topics, maybe I have to the name wrong.
I know from my Unix days, that certain hardware does not play well with multi tasking, LPT ports was one of these, I do think windows is multi tasking though, maybe its some badly written drivers that has caused you problems.
I have a dual core, and its working fine, I do get the odd freeze, but..... is it freezing or is it the GPU drivers going a bit funny. it would be interesting to write a program that counts, see if that counts drop when it freezes :).
Steve
"anonymouse" wrote in message I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
The latest Vista runs very well on my Core-Duo notebook. No issues with performance, don't know if "Lightning Fast" sums it up, but it's fast.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message
Can you get in a word or 2 for me about Perf on P4s with HT? :) -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Ed Sproull [MSFT]" wrote in message FYI, I forwarded the info from this thread to the Shell's perf team to see if we are doing testing on dual procs. I just love harassing those folks. :)
Ed
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"Steve Drake" wrote in message I am not guru on writing kernel mode things, but I do know that vista has cancelable io, this is new and I think it may help prevent hangs or will it make writing drivers easier so they are better, not 100% sure, but I am sure the answer is only a Google away, I've just done a Google , didn't find much , but I was at a vista training session a few weeks ago and this was one of the topics, maybe I have to the name wrong.
I know from my Unix days, that certain hardware does not play well with multi tasking, LPT ports was one of these, I do think windows is multi tasking though, maybe its some badly written drivers that has caused you problems.
I have a dual core, and its working fine, I do get the odd freeze, but..... is it freezing or is it the GPU drivers going a bit funny. it would be interesting to write a program that counts, see if that counts drop when it freezes :).
Steve
"anonymouse" wrote in message I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
"roman modic" wrote in message
Hello!
"NoNoBadDog!" wrote in message It will be slower on an Intel Core Duo, faster on an AMD Dual Core. Since Intel Core Duo procs cannot talk directly to each other, do not have on-die memory controllers, can't have both L2 caches working at the some time, have no Hypertransport bus, and have not Direct Connect architecture, they cannot run the OS as efficiently. FWIW, the Vista Development team is using AMD Athlon64 processors for its testbeds...that should tell you something. At the risk of starting a war here, AMD X2 and Intel Core Duo are significantly different from each other.
Yep, http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/5418/Unlike the Core Duo, each execution core is not independently clocked nor powered, so if one core is doing all the work, that means that the other one is running at maximum speed and voltage the entire time. With the Core Duo, each core can adjust itself, depending on the application.
Cheers, Roman
Two response;
The Intel Core Duo will still be slower due to the latencies introduced by the cores continuing to use the Northbridge chip for internal I/O.
Intel Core Duo cores are independently powered due to the fact that they are multicore, and not dual core. Intel does not manufacture dual cores. They fuse two single core chips into a single die. Only one core and one L2 cache can use the Northbridge per clock cycle, because they do not have a crossbar for internal communications ala AMD. Intel chips continue to use the same old tired motherboard architecture they have had for 8 years.
One only has to look beyond the smoke that Intel produces, read the head to head tests, and the superior technology will be readily apparent.
If you would look at the issue with an open mind, you would see that Intel has an inferior design, and until it begins to build processors that are not tied to a Northbridge FSB, they will continue to lag behind....
Bobby
Hello again!
"NoNoBadDog!" wrote in message
one is running at maximum speed and voltage the entire time. With the Core Duo, each core can adjust itself, depending on the application.
Two response;
The Intel Core Duo will still be slower due to the latencies introduced by the cores continuing to use the Northbridge chip for internal I/O.
Intel Core Duo cores are independently powered due to the fact that they are multicore, and not dual core. Intel does not manufacture dual cores. They fuse two single core chips into a single die. Only one core and one L2 cache can use the Northbridge per clock cycle, because they do not have a crossbar for internal communications ala AMD. Intel chips continue to use the same old tired motherboard architecture they have had for 8 years.
One only has to look beyond the smoke that Intel produces, read the head to head tests, and the superior technology will be readily apparent.
If you would look at the issue with an open mind, you would see that Intel has an inferior design, and until it begins to build processors that are not tied to a Northbridge FSB, they will continue to lag behind.... [/quote] I have nothing against AMD. In fact I use AMD Duron 1300 at work and Sempron 32 2600+ at home. (The last Intel was 350 Pentium II). IMHO for desktop PCs AMD CPUs are in most cases more suitable. For laptops I'm not so sure...
Anyhow, I plan that my next CPU purchase will be 64-bit dual-dore processor with virtualization support ("Ring -1"): http://www.itarchitect.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=172302134 Do you know if AMD will release such CPU with 939 socket?
Best regards, Roman
You have one of those already? I thought Apple gobbled up all of them for their MacBook Pro's. :-) -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"R. McCarty" wrote in message
The latest Vista runs very well on my Core-Duo notebook. No issues with performance, don't know if "Lightning Fast" sums it up, but it's fast.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Can you get in a word or 2 for me about Perf on P4s with HT? :) -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Ed Sproull [MSFT]" wrote in message FYI, I forwarded the info from this thread to the Shell's perf team to see if we are doing testing on dual procs. I just love harassing those folks. :)
Ed
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"Steve Drake" wrote in message I am not guru on writing kernel mode things, but I do know that vista has cancelable io, this is new and I think it may help prevent hangs or will it make writing drivers easier so they are better, not 100% sure, but I am sure the answer is only a Google away, I've just done a Google , didn't find much , but I was at a vista training session a few weeks ago and this was one of the topics, maybe I have to the name wrong.
I know from my Unix days, that certain hardware does not play well with multi tasking, LPT ports was one of these, I do think windows is multi tasking though, maybe its some badly written drivers that has caused you problems.
I have a dual core, and its working fine, I do get the odd freeze, but..... is it freezing or is it the GPU drivers going a bit funny. it would be interesting to write a program that counts, see if that counts drop when it freezes :).
Steve
"anonymouse" wrote in message I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
Long story - around Christmas was shopping a new notebook. 1st choice, Toshiba Satellite ( Bad ! - Drive way too hot). After a couple of months of testing I opted for the Sony Vaio VGN-550. Decided to go ahead and get a Core-Duo unit to get a little longer life-cycle. So far, not disappointed with any aspect of it. Ships with 1.0 Gig of RAM and may eventually take it up to the full 2.0 Gig capability. An all-around good choice. However, for serious gaming it would be better to go with their SZ series that has dedicated video GPU and not the Intel 945 chipset based video. I could write an article about the "Search" for the notebook - must have looked at more than 60+ models from most all the major vendors. Took a USB thumb drive around to all the Retail stores to run tests on them. No store told me to quit, but Circuit City wasn't too happy about me going from PC to PC and making notes. Had more than a few customers who where watching and asked for some advice based on my testing. Temps are a big consideration for me and the Vaio stays nice & cool, even under some heavy loading.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message
You have one of those already? I thought Apple gobbled up all of them for their MacBook Pro's. :-) -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"R. McCarty" wrote in message The latest Vista runs very well on my Core-Duo notebook. No issues with performance, don't know if "Lightning Fast" sums it up, but it's fast.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Can you get in a word or 2 for me about Perf on P4s with HT? :) -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Ed Sproull [MSFT]" wrote in message FYI, I forwarded the info from this thread to the Shell's perf team to see if we are doing testing on dual procs. I just love harassing those folks. :)
Ed
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"Steve Drake" wrote in message I am not guru on writing kernel mode things, but I do know that vista has cancelable io, this is new and I think it may help prevent hangs or will it make writing drivers easier so they are better, not 100% sure, but I am sure the answer is only a Google away, I've just done a Google , didn't find much , but I was at a vista training session a few weeks ago and this was one of the topics, maybe I have to the name wrong.
I know from my Unix days, that certain hardware does not play well with multi tasking, LPT ports was one of these, I do think windows is multi tasking though, maybe its some badly written drivers that has caused you problems.
I have a dual core, and its working fine, I do get the odd freeze, but..... is it freezing or is it the GPU drivers going a bit funny. it would be interesting to write a program that counts, see if that counts drop when it freezes :).
Steve
"anonymouse" wrote in message I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
"roman modic" wrote in message
Hello again!
"NoNoBadDog!" wrote in message
one is running at maximum speed and voltage the entire time. With the Core Duo, each core can adjust itself, depending on the application.
Two response;
The Intel Core Duo will still be slower due to the latencies introduced by the cores continuing to use the Northbridge chip for internal I/O.
Intel Core Duo cores are independently powered due to the fact that they are multicore, and not dual core. Intel does not manufacture dual cores. They fuse two single core chips into a single die. Only one core and one L2 cache can use the Northbridge per clock cycle, because they do not have a crossbar for internal communications ala AMD. Intel chips continue to use the same old tired motherboard architecture they have had for 8 years.
One only has to look beyond the smoke that Intel produces, read the head to head tests, and the superior technology will be readily apparent.
If you would look at the issue with an open mind, you would see that Intel has an inferior design, and until it begins to build processors that are not tied to a Northbridge FSB, they will continue to lag behind....
I have nothing against AMD. In fact I use AMD Duron 1300 at work and Sempron 32 2600+ at home. (The last Intel was 350 Pentium II). IMHO for desktop PCs AMD CPUs are in most cases more suitable. For laptops I'm not so sure...
Anyhow, I plan that my next CPU purchase will be 64-bit dual-dore processor with virtualization support ("Ring -1"): http://www.itarchitect.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=172302134 Do you know if AMD will release such CPU with 939 socket?
Best regards, Roman [/quote] Roman;
The new crop of AM2 and S1 procs will support Pacifica, which is a better virtualization than the Intel scheme.
Bobby
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Hello!
"NoNoBadDog!" wrote in message
"roman modic" wrote in message Hello again! Anyhow, I plan that my next CPU purchase will be 64-bit dual-dore processor with virtualization support ("Ring -1"): http://www.itarchitect.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=172302134 Do you know if AMD will release such CPU with 939 socket?
Best regards, Roman
Roman;
The new crop of AM2 and S1 procs will support Pacifica, which is a better virtualization than the Intel scheme.
Yep, I know that. But plans regarding 939 future are still unclear/undefined. BTW, here are some nice links regarding AMD (and Intel): http://www.hardwarecentral.com/hardwarecentral/print/6193/
It's difficult to tell if AMD is worried about the new Intel platform; whether it's based in truth or bravado, there seems to be an air of quiet confidence from company HQ. Choosing years ago to go with an integrated memory controller instead of the traditional CPU/chipset layout is definitely paying dividends in terms of relative performance, as their processors' lower latencies have allowed AMD to slip right past Intel and never look back.
This architecture also lets AMD quietly tune memory performance and features with each new core stepping, whereas Intel needs to release a new chipset to accomplish the same thing. AMD's method is more seamless, but it also comes with a few negatives, such as the increased R&D time required to redesign the integrated controller for DDR-2.
It also means that AMD is in some ways less flexible and more susceptible to industry change. Intel seems to have dropped DDR support from its current chipset line, but once AMD finally makes its DDR-2 transition, Intel might backtrack and offer both options to customers. AMD is also introducing Socket AM2 to support its DDR-2-enabled processors, which means the end of the road for the faithful Socket 939 and may let Intel level the playing field in terms of platform stability and potential longevity. AMD also has the move from 90- to 65-nanometer-process engineering to look forward to, which should naturally translate into additional clock speed headroom -- probably over the 3.0GHz threshold. This may scare Intel, as the 65nm Pentium D 900 chips are already on the market, but the NGMA design at 65nm might prove to be sensational.
http://www.itjungle.com/breaking/bn030706-story01.html
On that curve, if you normalize for 486 performance and power consumption (meaning setting them to 1), then the 486 has an "Energy Per Instruction" (EPI) of 10. The Pentium chip from 1993 had about twice the performance, but consumed 2.7 times the energy, which raised the EPI to 14. The move to the Pentium Pro boosted performance relative to the 486 by a factor of 3.6, but power use went up by a factor of 9, driving the EPI up to 24, and the "Williamette" Pentium 4 chip had six times the performance, but consumed 23 times as much energy, yielding an EPI of 38. The "Cedarmill" Pentium 4 chip had 7.9 times the performance, but consumed 38 times as much energy, for an EPI of 48. The Pentium M may not have had blazing performance, but it sure did have pretty good power efficiency and decent enough performance for a laptop, where companies would willingly sacrifice performance for longer battery life. The second-generation "Dothan" Pentium M chip had about 5.4 times the performance of 486, but only consumed 7 times as much energy, giving an EPI of 15. And the new dual-core "Yonah" Core Duo chip, which actually is made using a 65 nanometer process, has 7.7 times the performance of the 486, but only consumes 8 times the power, which gives it an EPI rating of 11. Which is only 10 percent higher than for the 486.
That, in a nutshell, is why Intel is excited about the new Core Architecture. It has been able to turn back the clock on power consumption, and because of the 65 nanometer process, it can cram more cores onto a chip, keep the clock speed low, and still boost performance enough to make its server customers happy.
Regards, Roman
I think you have gotten interested in a Vaio also, but at the same time I'm torn between choosing a standard notebook and a Tablet PC, thats what I am waiting for. I think I will wait a while, but congratulations on your great buy. Question, you get Glass on it? -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"R. McCarty" wrote in message
Long story - around Christmas was shopping a new notebook. 1st choice, Toshiba Satellite ( Bad ! - Drive way too hot). After a couple of months of testing I opted for the Sony Vaio VGN-550. Decided to go ahead and get a Core-Duo unit to get a little longer life-cycle. So far, not disappointed with any aspect of it. Ships with 1.0 Gig of RAM and may eventually take it up to the full 2.0 Gig capability. An all-around good choice. However, for serious gaming it would be better to go with their SZ series that has dedicated video GPU and not the Intel 945 chipset based video. I could write an article about the "Search" for the notebook - must have looked at more than 60+ models from most all the major vendors. Took a USB thumb drive around to all the Retail stores to run tests on them. No store told me to quit, but Circuit City wasn't too happy about me going from PC to PC and making notes. Had more than a few customers who where watching and asked for some advice based on my testing. Temps are a big consideration for me and the Vaio stays nice & cool, even under some heavy loading.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message You have one of those already? I thought Apple gobbled up all of them for their MacBook Pro's. :-) -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"R. McCarty" wrote in message The latest Vista runs very well on my Core-Duo notebook. No issues with performance, don't know if "Lightning Fast" sums it up, but it's fast.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message Can you get in a word or 2 for me about Perf on P4s with HT? :) -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Ed Sproull [MSFT]" wrote in message FYI, I forwarded the info from this thread to the Shell's perf team to see if we are doing testing on dual procs. I just love harassing those folks. :)
Ed
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"Steve Drake" wrote in message I am not guru on writing kernel mode things, but I do know that vista has cancelable io, this is new and I think it may help prevent hangs or will it make writing drivers easier so they are better, not 100% sure, but I am sure the answer is only a Google away, I've just done a Google , didn't find much , but I was at a vista training session a few weeks ago and this was one of the topics, maybe I have to the name wrong.
I know from my Unix days, that certain hardware does not play well with multi tasking, LPT ports was one of these, I do think windows is multi tasking though, maybe its some badly written drivers that has caused you problems.
I have a dual core, and its working fine, I do get the odd freeze, but..... is it freezing or is it the GPU drivers going a bit funny. it would be interesting to write a program that counts, see if that counts drop when it freezes :).
Steve
"anonymouse" wrote in message I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
Slower than XP-64, but that's to be expected. I've got an AMD X2 4600+ wi 2G of dual channel memory.
There have been a number of subsystem I/O lockups
"Zack Whittaker (R2 Mentor)" wrote:
Obviously it's slow and all, however I'm probably taking into account the fact that performance hasn't been set and Glass does take a lot of stuff up. So probably over all... yeh it's slow for what my machine should be *-)
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--- Original message follows --- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message I have 3.2 GHz HT and its definitely slow. -- -- Andre Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Gary Keramidas" <GKeramidasATmsn.com> wrote in message slower than xp
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"anonymouse" wrote in message I'm particularly interested to know this since all the versions of Windows I've used appear to freeze whenever there's a problem with a Subsystem I/O activity such as network acces, disk, etc. I'm assuming that this is a kernel design issue, since the OS isn't really Multi-tasking but co-operative tasking.
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